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Message from the UK trying to
find Sgt. Bobby L. Jones, who served in Vietnam 1967-1968. I
believe he was from California and had a burning desire to buy
a Pontiac Le Mans. If anyone has any information, please
contact: Janis Shawashi,
janis.danielle.shawashi@hmps.gsi.gov.uk
Looking for anyone who served
with the 3rd Engineer Bn., 3rd Marine Div., 1371 Combat
Engineers. My husband died in 2001 with Agent Orange-related
illness. Contact:
mooremar3@aol.com
Seeking contact with anyone who
served aboard U.S.S Tanner (AGS-15) sound boat crews in
Vietnam. Contact: Noel M. Switzer, P.O. Box 615, Fort
Monmouth, NJ 07703;
Liam@catlo.com
Trying to find two guys from an
attack of Aug. 20, 1968. I was known as “Frenchie” back at CAP
2-4-3 at the time. Details are vague: LCpl. Hall and a blond
“surfer dude” from California, first name Steve. I was also
with Bravo 1/7 from Feb 28, 1968-July 1, 1968, on Operation
Worth and Operation Mameluke Thrust, and would love to connect
with a machine gunner named Morgan from Machine Gun Squad
Bravo 1/7. Contact: Wilfred F. “Wil” Lirette, 12 Northampton
Place, Coto de Caza, CA 92678; 949-589-1998 (office);
949-636-1209 (cell);
electrwil@cox.net
Does anyone out there have
information about the Wildflecken Veterans Association?
Contact: Robert L. Yancy, 8300 Wren Place, Laurel Hill, NC;
910-462-3833;
www.wildfleckenveterans.com
Seeking anyone who served with
3rd MAF CAP Unit, Delta 1 and Delta 3, USMC, 1967-68. Also
looking for Sgt. Parker. Contact: Victor M. Forget, Jr., 217
Douglas Pike, N. Smithfield, RI 02896, 401-765-7722.
Searching for James Parker
Briggett, who served with me at the Navy Barracks in Norfolk
in 1965 and also with Naval Reserve, Winston-Salem, N.C. Last
known address on New Walkertown Road in Winston-Salem.
Contact: Wilbert Andrew Allen, Sr., 209 Clayton St.,
Winston-Salem, NC 27105.
Trying to find Capt. Kramer
(possibly spelled Cramer), CO, A Co., 1st Bn, 27th Inf., 25th
Inf. Div., Cu Chi, October 1967. Contact: Tom Sachs, 7320 Deer
Rd., Wisconsin Rapids, WI 54494; 715-423-8445.
Looking for Jerry L. Daniels
from Yuma, Arizona. Jerry did three tours in Vietnam. Last
known info: SEALs SCUBA instructor in San Diego. I saw him
last in 1976 in Los Angeles; he was then a sergeant. Contact:
Phillip A. Terry, P.O. Box 15731, Lenexa, KS 66285;
majterry508@yahoo.com
Seeking anyone who was ever
flown off a Navy ship to any landbase in Vietnam without
written TDY orders. Contact: Mike Caulfield, P.O. Box 1586,
Helena, MT 59624;
mtkaka@yahoo.com
In search of anyone who was in
64th QM, 47th Trans. Co. Would love to hear in particular from
Dave Flower, Steve Bailey, Cliff Chapman, or Dan Irgram.
Contact: Richard T. (“Dick”) Morgan, 12522 Lisa Dr., NE,
Cumberland, MD 21502; 301-777-1746.
Need to locate physicians who
saw me at Tan Son Nhut Air Base, Dec. 1971. Handwritten
signatures on medical records look like “J. R. Ditzler” and
“Thomas A. Merriel” or possibly “Thomas A. Merrine.” I was
Capt. Kathryn Wilson at the time. Contact: Kathryn Wilson
Disbrow, 1485 State Rt. 14, Penn Yan, NY 14527;
kathydisbrow@keukahousing.org
Looking for my good friends
Douglas Paul George (originally from Pittsburgh or Chicago)
and John Bauer from Germantown, Tenn. We served together in
527th MP Co., Long Binh Plantation, January-March1973.
Contact: Gary Michael Fredenburg, 840 McKinley Parkway,
Buffalo, NY 14220; 716-827-7145.
Did you serve with me in India
Co., 3rd Bn., 7th Marine Reg., 1st MARDIV at Hill 10? Need
confirmation on an all-night fight, heavy casualties on both
sides, perimeter overrun. Need help with VA claim. Contact:
Michael Biancofiori, 2423 Ernst, Franklin Park, IL 60131,
847-815-9025.
Need help with PTSD claim.
Urgently seeking Ed Frost, Jay Frost, (from Detroit), and Dick
Kensinger (from Johnstown, Pa.). Must discuss service with C
Co, 158th Av. Bn., 101st Airborne, Camp Eagle, Phu Bai, Nov.
1970-May 1971. Contact: Bruce D. Hedrick, 4708 Venable Ave.,
Apt. 3, Charleston, WV 25304; 304-542-0743.
Seeking anybody who served with
the “Vung Tau Vultures,” 611th Trans. Co., 1962-64. Contact:
Dallas R. Doughty, PSC-89 Box 7000, APO AE 09822.
Would love to hear from anybody
who served with Col. Howard K. Hostler. He was a major on his
first tour, a colonel on his second. Col. Hostler died two
years ago and I’m seeking to confirm info for his son.
Contact: Dwight Lorenz, 14223 N. Tumblebrook Way, Sun City, AZ
85351-2351; 623-444-2438;
lorassoc@cox.net
Searching for anybody who
served with me in Co. D, 1/6, 198th Light Infantry Bgde.,
Americal Div., RVN 1967-68. Contact: Hockless Bryant, 1401 NW
103 St., Apt. 232, Miami, FL 33147; 305-694-9607.
Would enjoy communicating with
any past members of the 540th Trans. Co based at Qui Nhon
between March 1968-March 1969. Contact: William B. Shelton,
6321 Covered Bridge Rd., Gladys, VA 24554; 434-283-4489.
I was with HHC 3rd Brigade
(Security Platoon), 1st Cav Div., January-June 1969. Looking
for Leo Foreman, Johnson, Logan, Royality, Griffin or anyone
who served with me. Contact: Donald E. Smith, 45 Nelson Rd.,
Dexter, ME 04930; 207-924-5357.
Looking for Leffler, Morgan,
Smith, Wilson, or anybody else who was at Red Catcher Training
Center, 199th Infantry, Feb.-Oct. 1968. Contact: Gary Raines,
920 Chiquita St., Denton, TX 76205; 214-662-3082.
Robert Lee Whitt, where are
you? We were stationed with Charlie Co., 1st Bn., 54th Inf. in
Bamberg, Germany, 1966-67. In October 1967 you went to a river
patrol unit in RVN, me to a mechanized infantry unit. You
attended my wedding on our way to Nam. Contact: Duane Shaw, 44
Ramble Creek Dr., Cotati, CA 94931; 707-793-8420.
Looking for James R. Shaver who
served in Vietnam 1969-70. I have important news for you.
Contact: John P. Davidson, 45 Palatine, #334, Irving, CA
92612; 714-392-4049.
Seeking anyone who served with
the Army 58 CEC-11th ACR Blackhorse, 1974-77. I have been
diagnosed with PTSD and need a “buddy letter” to confirm an
incident. Contact: Jim Knipe, 3241 N. Majesty Dr., Apt. 10,
Prescott Valley, AZ 86314; 928-759-7338.
Looking for John Goseman, Army
door gunner shot down June 30, 1970, and featured in In the
Shadow of the Blade. I was the dog handler who walked point on
your rescue. Contact: James Meecham, 3057 Ervin Rd., Dover, OH
44622; 330-343-5651.
Searching for Ronnie Harris,
Lonnie Casey, or any other buds from A Co., HHC, 3rd Bn., 39th
Inf., 9th Inf. Div. at Rach Kien or Dong Tam, 1967-68.
Contact: Mike Reade, 3535 28th St., Apt. 102, Boulder, CO
80301; 303-245-0350.
Looking for Vietnam veteran
members of Battery E, 2nd Bn., 11th Marines. Contact: Mike
Alkine, echo211artygun3@lakefield.net or Mike Weber, mweber2@charter.net
or Joe Cavanagh, P.O. Box 2604, Granite Bay, CA 95746;
joe.cavanagh@gmail.com
Seeking anyone stationed at
Kadena AFB, Okinawa between July 1969-March 1973. Want to hear
from anybody, but especially those sent TDY to Vietnam as part
of the mobility unit. Need help with PTSD claim. Contact:
Arthur L. Collins, 7230 Lyne Bay Dr., Roseville, CA 95747;
916-772-1005;
cokagene@aol.com
Looking for former members of
MACV Advisory Team #37, veterans of Firebase Brenda, members
of 1/50 Infantry located at LZ Betty near Pham Thiet, Binh
Thuan Province, Ham Thuan District, also any members of
Seahorse 25 or Seahorse 27.
Need help for Purple Heart
claim, 1970-71. I was District Medical Adviser, MACV Team #37.
Contact: Philip F. Cordova, 125 La Nell Dr., Canutillo, TX
79835; 915-568-3658.
I was with USMC 1-3-11 1969 and
in Platoon 3042, USMC Recruit Training Depot San Diego in
1968. Anyone who served in these units please contact: Gary
Berry, P.O. Box 6671, Silver Spring, MD 20916;
yodablood@aol.com
Searching for Army pals from
3rd of the 6th Artillery. Lawrence Gonzales (who drove for
Capt. Love) or Charlie Ford. Also Tom Talley who attended
Columbia High School. Contact: T.J. Litsinger, 797 River Rd.,
Smithland, KY 42081; 270-928-2863.
Trying to find Marine Kenneth
D. Jenkins or anyone from A Co., 3rd Amtrac Bn., 3rd Plt.,
1969-70. Contact: Byron A. Craver, 138 Lake St., LeRoy, NY
14482; 585-768-4964;
bcraver@rochester.rr.com
Must find Joseph Harrison,
Bernard D. Reese, and John M. McBane of the 68th CDS (Air
Police) stationed at Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina
between 1964-66. Also need to hear from any security police
stationed at Phan Rang, 1966-67, particularly Orlando Lee and
George Davis (from Washington, D.C.), and Ezell Gladney (from
Arkansas). Contact: Frederick A.M. Gresham, 1624 Winding Way,
Richmond, VA 23235.
My brother was a Vietnam
veteran who died in 2004 of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), a
very rare disease. He was stationed at Pleiku. I know of 12
other Vietnam veterans who died of CJD. If you have
information and would like to share, contact: Dennis Farah,
P.O. Box 307, McGregor, MN 55760;
dbfarah@mlecmn.net
Would like to hear from anyone
who was with me in Co. B, 1st Bn., 27th Inf. (1st Wolfhounds,
25th Inf. Div.) when I was WIA Feb. 12, 1968. Contact: James
J. Clinton, 86 Seeley Ave., Apt. #5, Keansburg, NJ 07734;
732-778-1974.
Does anyone remember the
explosion at HQ Service Co., 426th S&S, Camp Eagle in November
or December 1968? I hurt my back, shoulder, and hip trying to
catch a cook who was on fire. Need verification for VA claim.
Treatment records have been lost. Contact: Donald V. Copeland,
42 NW Eagle Rd., Lawton, OK 73507; 580-357-7280; 580-429-3786;
580-248-1927 (fax).
Looking for anyone who served
with me in C Battery, 5/42 Field Artillery at Bear Cat,
1968-69, especially “Bullet Brigade” guys Frank Austin and
Jimmy Rhodes. Contact: Daniel Green, 305 Osment Rd., SE,
Cleveland, TN 37323; 423-339-3542;
redpony5@aol.com
Where are you Bravo Co., 4th Bn.,
23rd Inf. (mechanized), 25th Inf. Div., 1969-70? Looking for
all who served with me. I remember Capt. Frederick Drew, Capt.
Horn (from N.Y.), SSG Joseph M. Evangelista, a SSG from
Louisiana we called “Coon Ass,” Sp4 John Livingston (Texas),
Sp4 Thomas Armstrong (Florida), Sp4 James (Twin) Martin
(N.C.), Shelton Bridge (truck driver from N.C)., “Buster”
(truck driver from Tenn.), and Sp4 “Gabby” Hayes (Texas).
Contact: Robert (Bobby) Cheatham, 209 LeCompte Ave., North
Augusta, SC 29841; 803-278-1514.
Would like to hear from anyone
who knew SSGT Claude Hesson Dorris, USMC, Navy Cross recipient
KIA January 7, 1968. Claude and I served together with 3/3
BLT, Camp Pendleton, 1959-61. We were roommates and I
introduced Claude to the woman who became his wife. Contact:
Ralph “Lefty” Guillete, 6 Locust Lane, Essex Junction, VT
05452.
Need help with a VA claim.
Looking for anyone who served with me in C 1/7, HQ Co., USMC.
Was there several weeks awaiting Medevac, and while there
sprayed perimeter with Agent Orange from a backpack sprayer.
Contact: George Green, P.O. Box 88, Bloomington Springs, TN
38545; 931-268-1907;
docgreen@twlakes.net
Seeking old friend Blas
Preciado. We served together in Vietnam. He may now be in
Oklahoma in a VA facility. I recently have been diagnosed with
cancer and want to re-connect. Contact: Robert L. Bozeman, 391
Elm St., Reedsport, OR 97467; 541-271-5382.
Want to locate anyone who knew
Gordon Hoover, Marine drill sergeant at the 2nd Recruit
Training Battalion in San Diego for nine years before service
in Vietnam. Contact: Kyra Hoover, 104 Thistle Ct., Highland
Village, TX 75077; 972-249-8965.
Looking for James L. Nelson, B Battery, 2/20, Ist Cav. Div.
Last-known address (as of summer 1968): A Troop, 8th Squadron,
1st Air Cav., Ft. Knox. Contact: Joseph M. Nowacki, 1596
Brunswick Ave., Lawrenceville, NJ 08648; 609-393-0252;
joe_nowacki@yahoo.com
Seeking Don Gamble (possibly
spelled “Gambill”) and John (“Spence”) Spencer. E-mails and
letters have bounced back. We served together in Lima 3/3.
Contact: Robert A. Branscombe, 928-567-7729;
bbmicmac@sedona.net
Looking for John Gibbs, Army or
Marine veteran from Grove City, Ohio. Injured and home by
1969, attended Ohio State University. Contact: Patty Hanson,
Patricia.Hanson@SEN.CA.GOV
Want to return a Zippo lighter
that I think belonged to a Vietnam veteran. The lighter has an
engraving of an aircraft carrier and U.S.S. Constellation (CVA
64) and “Tonkin Gulf” on the lower part. The name De Lipski is
printed on the top. Contact: Steve Summers,
stesum@msn.com
Looking for Ross O. Raber, who
was stationed on U.S.S Midway and retired in the Philippines.
Also want to hear from Richard A. Lapinski, who was stationed
at Camp Hardy, Okinawa 1969-70. Contact:
Rakasan69@aol.com
I served with the 20th
Preventive Medicine Unit in Saigon and Bien Hoa, 1966-67. If
there is anyone from the 20th out there, I would love to hear
from you. Contact: Lester H. Wurtele, M.D.,
punnims@comcast.net
I’ve tried for years to locate
Michael Wayne Bach. I used to write him during his Vietnam
tour in the early 70s. I believe he was an Army helicopter
mechanic. I recall he was from Texas. Contact: Melanie Garbo,
Vintagediversity@aol.com
I am seeking information on my
father, Ronald Wesley Rush, who served in Vietnam
approximately 1968. Not sure where he served but think it was
Long Binh. Contact: Lisa Irwin,
logancarolyn@optusnet.com.au
Seeking George Godfrey on
behalf of my uncle, Dale Gibson. They served together in
Vietnam. Contact: Matt Van Wyhe,
mattvw@sio.midco.net
Seeking Frank Belosevic from
Lackawanna, N.Y., a relative I believe is a Vietnam veteran.
Would like to get in touch with him ASAP. Contact: Steve Duric,
11 Riverside Dr., Redwood Park, 5097 SA, Adelaide, Australia;
(08) 82647512; (04)38290349 (cell);
bato270@tpg.com.au
Looking for my hoochmates
Kaplan, Foster, Schroder, and Lindsay from USAF Supply
Squadron, Cam Ranh Bay, Sept. 1968-Sept. 1969. Contact: Thom
Collini, tac.capecod@juno.com
Looking for anyone who served
with the 178th or 132nd ASHC, 71st Assault, Chu Lai anytime
during 1969. Contact: Dan Flahaven,
cookwagon2@aol.com
Seeking members from the “Evil
Eyes” 8/26 Artillery I served with, 1967-68. I was Motor Sgt.
after we moved to An Khe. Contact: Hobart (“Hobie”) Sibley,
hqsibley@earthlink.net
Searching for friends of MACV
translator Nguyen Van Thuoc, who worked June 1969-April 1973
under Lt. Kuggler (1969), Lt. Robinson (1970), Maj. James B.
McCoy (1971-72), and Maj. John D. Dean (1972-73). Contact:
Quyen Thuy Nguyen,
thuyquyen830@yahoo.com
Seeking Joseph Dell Regal from
Pennsylvania. You were stationed at Ft. Benning when deployed
to Vietnam. Heard you were MIA but your name is not on The
Wall. Have searched for you for 20 years. Contact: Marty,
marty@charter.net
Trying to locate anyone who
served with me in the 1st Marine Airwing, WERS17, MWSG17,
Danang, Jan. 1968-Feb. 1969. Schrefler, Whitie, Walker, Dowing,
let me hear from you. Contact: Shirley Loetscher, 783 Lollie
Rd., Mayflower, AR 72106; 501-202-2088 (office), 501-202-1740
(fax);
saloetsc@baptist-health.org.
Seeking a Vietnam veteran named
Mike that I met many years ago in San Pedro, Ambergris Key,
Belize. I worked for the bus company. Contact: Rodrigo
Temporal, 347-282-1772;
rodrigotemporal@hotmail.com
My brother Thomas A. Pardo was
killed in action in Vietnam on July 18, 1970. He was a member
of Company C, 8th Engineering Bn. I have a great need to learn
more about his last days, how he died, his feelings and
thoughts. Any friends, people he served with, or those who
remember my brother, I want to hear from you. Contact: Kathy
Pardo Mobarak,
paraffmo@stellardirect.com
Searching for Howard John
Bicker, Jr., who I remember from NATO Headquarters in Belgium
in the late 1960s. Contact: Siegfried C. Bicker,
040-61140-161, 040-61140-140 (fax);
Siegfried.Bicker@plan-international.org
Want to contact anyone
stationed with a BARC Co. at Wunder Beach from August.
1968-November 1968. The U.S.S. New Jersey was off our coast at
the time. Contact: Jim Cain,
jimcain2646@msn.com
Looking for members of USAECAV,
Vietnam 1969-70: Garland Crawford, Jacob Applelove, Robert M.
Mallia, Douglas G. Bennet, Charles Hatch, Larry Chambers,
“Huck” Hutchins, Helbert Brown, Elmer Hays, Leonard Gardner,
B.A. Baylor. Contact: Archie Thibeault,
Reiki03809@hotmail.com
In search of veterans who
served or trained at Fort McClellan, Alabama. We were exposed
to Agent Orange, PCBs, mustard gas, nerve gas, lewisite, sarin
gas, VS, VX. We are a group of veterans seeking status of
presumptive exposure like Vietnam veterans and Gulf War
veterans have. Contact: Carolyn Tyler, 3242-A West Mangold
Ave., Greenfield, WI 53221-4793, 414-817-0716;
Amendment5WACs@aol.com
Seeking anyone assigned to the
Area Maintenance Supply Facility (AMSF) of HQ & HQ Detachment,
5th Signal Command (Stratcom), at Sullivan Barracks in
Manheim, Germany, 1975-76. I want to share photos and stories.
Contact: Joseph Peck,
Peckfam@hotmail.com
Looking for Robin H. Shores, a
Vietnam vet discharged in early 1969 as a Navy machinist mate
first class (MM1) from the U.S.S. Truxtun (DLGN 35). Contact:
Jordan Gmach, 182 Buffalo Ridge Rd., Amherst, VA 24521.
Seeking anyone denied
equivalency by the DOD Civilian/Military Service Board for
Vietnam service. Looking for support for legislation to halt
board denials involving Agent Orange diseases. Contact: Don
Isaacs, 162 Andover G, W. Palm Beach, FL 33417.
Looking for anyone who served
with me at Nha Trang, 1970-71, 15th/90th SOS. Col. Howell was
also later with me at Langley AFB, 1971-75. Contact: Charles
A. Kirby, P.O. Box 888, Richlandtown, PA 18955.
Anyone out there who served
with 1st Plt., C Co., 3/325 Inf., 82nd Airborne, in 1972? I
need a claim witness. I injured my back in a chopper blast in
1972, amd went to sick call. Jeff Lawson, Alfredo Marquez,
Robert Otta, Sgt. Redd, or anyone else who served with us and
remembers, contact: Robert E. Rigler, P.O. Box 244, Graterford,
PA 19426.
Searching for anyone who served
with the 148th Ordnance Co. in Vung Tau, with detachments at
Can Tho, Soc Trang, and Vinh Long, Jan. 1969-Jan. 1970. In
Sept. 1969 our company moved to Long Binh to relieve a
National Guard unit from Wisconsin. I’m originally from
Scottsboro, Ala., and lived in Tennessee for 20 years.
Contact: Joseph T. Phillips, 637 Long Island Rd., South
Pittsburg, TN 37380; 423-837-7776.
Looking for fellow “Sea Barons”
I served with at Camh Ranh Bay, July 1970-71. I was with U.S.
Army Marine Maintenance Activity Vietnam (USAMMAV). Anyone
remember pulling guard duty on the jetty? Contact: Joe Lupo,
45566 White Pines Dr., Novi, MI 48374; 248-728-5700.
Would like to hear from anyone
who served with the 240th Assault Helicopter Co. at Bear Cat,
1969-71. Contact: Walter Weber, 35 Elmtree La., Galax, VA
24333.
Seeking old friends from Co. B,
2/9th Artillery, 4th Inf. Div., Oct. 1968-Oct. 1969, or the
friends we supported in 2/35th Inf. Contact: Tom Roman, 6382
Breckenridge Cicle, Lake Worth, FL 33467; 561-968-2115;
Tomsflor@bellsouth.net
Searching for Joe T. Cruz and
Tony Gresham (“Flipper”). We served together on swift boats,
Qui Nhon, April 1967-April 1968. Contact: Ron Gagnon, 1618
Country Club Blvd., Cape Coral, FL 33990;
Ronbo004@aol.com
Looking for members of the 5th
Plt. from DLI Vietnamese Language School in Monterey, Calif.,
July-September 1969. I lived in B-19. Len Boyd, John Doty,
James Brown, Greg Duckworth, Steve Faer anybody out there?
Contact: Warren Griffin, 54 Shaw Farm Rd., Holliston, MA
01746; 508-429-3002;
griffcher@juno.com
Seeking “Jungle Eaters” from
27th LCT and 60th Landclearing Co., 1968-70. Denton (“Denny”)
Miller, French Camp (from Manteca, Calif.), Kurt Oltman (Pa.),
John Geiling (Pa.), Gary Oenning (Ill.), and others. Reunion
in June. Contact: Dave Minto, 165 Spooner Ave., Warwick, RI
02886; Dave.Minto@gmail.com
Searching for family members of
Frank Edward McClellan. Mac was KIA Apr. 6, 1970, at An Khe. I
was a Sgt. at the time and Mac’s team leader, and remember
that he was from Indiana. Contact: Mark J. Estopare, 699
Cunningham Rd., Cuba, MO 65453; 573-885-2744.
Looking for POWs/MIAs stationed
at Sampson AFB, 3650th Basic Military Training Wing, 1950-56.
Also welcome names of dependents who were stationed at Sampson
with active-duty personnel. Contact: Chip Phillips, Sampson
AFB Veterans Association, P.O. Box 331, Williamsville, NY
14231; 716-633-1199; 716-633-9118; chip34@aol.com
Looking for David Leroy Steele, who attended Chadron State
College before entering the service. Contact: Christina
Hendricks-Findley, 52 Hoover St., Newark, OH 43055.
Trying to find Roger Keese
(from Pryor, Okla.) and Patrick Thompson (from Bradford, Pa.)
from the 365th Trans. Co. (FORSCOM), Ft. McClellan, Anniston,
Ala., from 1973-1974. Also would like to hear from Leigh Ann
Hipp. Contact: John Beal, P.O. Box 278, Swan Quarter, NC
27885.